August 5, 2004

Layout Issues

Okay. I've run into a problem that I don't think can be solved using today's technology of standards and CSS. I think it can only be solved by *gasp*, a table. A TABLE USED FOR LAYOUT.

Done shuddering yet? I haven't decided if I'll go this route, for many different reasons. (I don't like the site, I'll want to provide different layouts ala' the Garden, I fucking hate tables...)

But what I want to do is have the current monkey and name you see on the left bar (kinda) appear on the bottom of the page. It's a fixed sidebar, which has issues with IE. That can be worked around, albietly not easily. But with the way you have the code placed (inside two page-wrapper divs) messes that up a little bit. But you want those generic wrapper-divs for long-term options (see different layout options above).

I added a top banner with a fixed width. That screws with my 100% height. Okay, there are ways to address this. But they involve scripting to rewrite the DIV to the window's innerHeight. I'd much rather use a CSS declaration of width: (100% - 20px) or height: (50%-5em);

So these two issues, combined, raise enough of a concern to put the brakes on this latest whim of mine. I'm thinking I might just change the layout, tweak it further and maybe move the monkey.

...later....Okay, the monkey is moved, and the position:fixed is gone, for now.

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Posted at 09:07 AM

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VampyreVein

Yes, tables do suck. Currently, I've had a run-in that has tempted me. You see, I'm going to [have/have a] sidebar[s] on my site (currently in development on my machine) and I want to allow the users to hide/show the sidebars via grippies or hide show buttons on the horizontal bar above them. Then, when the sidebars are hidden, I want the main content between the two sidebars to expand/shrink between the two. This will allow the users to see only what they want when they want. I'm doing this via degradeable CSS and in that off chance the user doesn't have a CSS enabled browser, I want the content all to display vertically. So if you know what I have to do to give the center content a width that is inheritant based on how much horizontal space the sidebars are taking up, please let me know.

William Hamby

the issues you're dealing with, and likely any and all future issues, can be solved at http://www.alistapart.com/

Tony

Do you read this site William? Did you read the problem? Did you give it any thought before trying to sound like someone who knows what they are talking about?

I'm really trying not to blow up and be a total dick. I really am. But this post just irrates the fuck out of me. grrrr.

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